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simon, tell me the truth. a little bit longer. - like about how much longer? - let me ask you a question. 11 minutes, start to finish. how long does it take you? an hour? >> live from los angeles
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tonight, the next revolution will be televised as fans turn on protesting players, we ask, has the nfl been captured by the anti-american left? plus, president trump tax plan, populist or elitist, we will break it down. big business under fire for abusing workers. we will meet the women who think it is time for workplace revolution. we expose the corruption of america's public sector unions and their democrat lap dogs. and backlash in germany, merkel punished by the voters over open borders.
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>> let's start by saying what is obvious, these have become partisan political protests plain and simple. racial injustice in america is real, at every level of the income scale. black people in america are still today suffering the consequences of decades of discriminatory policies in housing education and policing. a rising tide has not lifted all boats. and will not without specific action to correct past injustice. but these football protests have nothing to do with that. what specific action is being demanded here exactly? nothing. it's just vague antitrump showboating. and we could just dismiss it if it wasn't for the fact that protesting our anthem, protesting our flag is not like any other protest. it actually has an effect on our national culture. it undermines it. i know what i'm talking about because it happened where i grew up, in england. for many years the british left
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set out deliberately to undermine symbols of british pride, like the national anthem. it was part of the left's crusade to impose multiculturalism, the idea that it is wrong to have shared national values. in britain this had serious consequences. including the insidious growth of a muslim culture in many parts of the country, that subjugates women and fosters extremism. so when you start down a road of attacking and undermining your national culture, it is no joke. that's what's happening here. i can see it very clearly because again i saw it back in england in the anti-americanism of the british left in the 80s. the anti-american left captured the british labour party and it wasn't until blair in the mid 90s that patriotism became politically mainstream again. one of the things i always admired about america was the sense of broadly shared patriotism but this nfl process and the support for it from
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democrats shows something very disturbing, that the democratic party here in america has also been captured by the anti-american left. by cultural elite that thinks patriotism is embarrassing. that america itself is embarrassing, worse than other countries. it is a real shock for me to see this. i love this country and i'm so incredibly proud to be here. america is not worse than other countries. it is better. it is better than where i came from because frankly it's better than anywhere that anyone came from. why? because of the genius of america's founders to build a nation on the idea of liberty under the law. of course there are massive problems in america, in particular. the fact that half the country been left behind by the failed elitist policies of the last few decades. that's what positive populism is about and patriotism is part of it. it's not the same as nationalism. it's about helping all working americans, not just white
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working americans. the anti-americanism on the other hand, that's a defining characteristic of elitism. and it must be resisted. with me now to discuss all that, executive director of -- and fox news contributor kevin jackson. thank you very much for being with us tonight. good to see you. >> you as well. >> i just wanted to put the question to you this way, isn't the right position here, as i was just trying to argue, to be concerned about racial injustice and to want to do something about it, and to be fully patriotic at the same time? isn't that the right answer? >> absolutely, the only thing i would disagree with you, steve, is that america has always been -- in recent times has always been good to blacks, the problem we have is we have followed all these leftist policies which itself segregate. the democrats no longer
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segregate us. we self-segregate. we have bet for our tv. we have news one for our radio. we have black lives matter for all our protests. we have taken ourselves out of mainstream and essentially said let's build this sub culture within america. look, black people can be proud of the country we built for all of the reasons that you stated, we are the fabric of the country, and in fact because of slavery, we built it for free and we made it the best country in the world to the point where we elected a black president and all these nfl people that you are watching take a knee are guys that benefitted from this. you know, look, we have got denzel washington, jay-z, oprah winfrey, how many people could we name, steve, black people that are so successful it is ridiculous? but now we complain about everything. >> well, i think that a lot of people hearing that, of all backgrounds, would say there is a lot of truth to what you say, but isn't it a little bit complacent about some of the structural problems that have
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left people in the african-american community with poorer schools, worse housing? there's a whole legacy -- >> good point. >> -- from many years ago not recent past but decades ago and actually that needs to be taken seriously and not just dismissed. >> yeah, but, steve, look, when you talk about these things, you have to understand black folks are mostly -- we're concentrated in cities, the people who control these cities are democrats. we vote for democrats. we vote for the cops that these guys claim they are kneeling against. we vote for the sheriffs. we vote for the mayors who control these police officers. so explain to me how we can complain when we're voting for the very problems that we claim to want to -- to overcome. so that's the problem. it isn't like it is george bush or trump that's saying baltimore's mayor -- look at all the cases that have been settled recently that these guys are talking about in every city outside of ferguson, missouri, it's been a democrat.
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>> i think that's such a powerful point. the policy failure of democrats in urban america is just totally shocking. there's just one last point i wanted to -- which is this correction between black people and patriotism. how do you see that? do you read into this set of protests that there's an issue there that needs to be addressed, or is it just part of political back and forth? >> no, it is a very good point. and i talked about it earlier today. look, blacks -- and people hate when i say these things, but it is the truth, steve. blacks are taught to hate this country. there are many times you won't see black players -- even before the kneeling, they wouldn't put their hand over their heart. they don't care about the national anthem. they think the flag is a joke. they think the founding fathers are 200-year-old white guys in wigs. they don't understand the process that built america is we're a big part of that fabric and to your point, this is a conspiracy among the elitists to make us believe that we aren't
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part of the fabric of america, that we built this racist country that by the way elected a black president and has a lot of black millionaires, multimillionaires and billionaires so it is a strategy to demoralize blacks to take away our imaginations, our ingenuity and the things that we really could use to accomplish. look at the 1950s black family and ask yourself what would have happened had we been left alone? we probably have 100 of the fortune 500 ceos in this country. >> kevin, thank you very much for your perspective. i think the panel will have a lot to say about that. let's bring them in right now. fox news politics editor, fox news halftime report. senior editor at the on-line political journal american greatness. and a democrat who is running for congress in florida against our friend debby wasserman schultz. god to see you all.
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-- good to see you all. >> thank you. >> switching to the patriotism point, don't you think the democrats have ended up on the wrong side of this argument driven by their kind of crazed anti-trump feelings? >> well, you've got to remember that colin kaepernick started his protest when president obama was the president, when barack obama was. so who really politicized this? i do believe it was president trump more than anyone, perhaps, and perhaps to distract voters from some real issues. you know, take a look at what the protest was about. and that's what we really should be speaking about. >> which one are you talking about? the original or what we saw the last couple of weekends? >> originally >> the last couple of weekends, honestly i can't -- i think it is pretty clear that it is just turned into this antitrump -- >> well, perhaps, but i would argue that president trump sort of brought that on and politicized it. the original protest was to talk about structural racism and the shootings of black citizens by police. i think the police do a tremendous job under a lot of
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stress. i think all of us could agree to that. but yet, there are some troubling shootings that have been going on for a long time. and i think that's where the conversation -- >> -- but i just don't think this is where it's ended up. i think this is actually, you know, just ended up just being this sort of political back and forth. i want to get another perspective. to some of these points about the structural policies, it was interesting to me that during the election, candidate donald trump said pretty clearly, you know, as kevin was saying if you will elect me, i will help you. that didn't go over so well even -- >> he did get more votes from the african-american community than any of our previous candidates have done in quite some time. >> right. do you see any signs of a policy agenda to address some of these underlying points? >> i see trump appealing to the things that we hold in common and the things that -- like he
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said in his inaugural address that there's no place for discrimination, for bias, for bigotry in america. what there is is a place for patriotism. and if you hold on to patriotism, then you can't be a bigot. i think that's entirely true, and i think that that's what trump is -- when he's appealing to this sentiment in america that is opposed to these protests, that is outraged and offended by them. >> yes. >> what he's sensing there is that people are tired of being told that their country -- >> that's what i think is so sad about this, chris. where do you think it is headed next politically? >> probably nowhere in particular because this is a culture issue, no t a government issue. -- not a government issue. the government can't make you love the country. both sides are now exploiting it. if we look back to what obama did, politicians have a long
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history of commenting on passing controversies and sometimes they heal and sometimes they divide. sometimes what they say brings people together. sometimes it drives people apart. now democrats are making -- look, 2017, any time any party claims i'm the true patriot, no i'm the true patriot, you are going to a bad place because everybody should be able to agree on those core principles. >> that's what i loved about america. that's what i used to be true about america. it was striking to me in the u.k., it changed, and it did get politicized and there was a long period where the flag was highly political and became something that was associated with the
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extreme right, and it wasn't the mainstream thing and that was all driven by the left saying this is not just patriotism, it is something worse than that, something nefarious and they used the word nationalism. that's what i see as a risk of the democrats. >> a huge risk to the democrats to be associated as a party against patriotism. but there is also a risk to the republicans too, and the risk is you cannot legislate love of country. the government can't make you love your country. it cannot happen. and when populists, like donald trump, offer -- it feels good emotionally for people to hear yeah, that's right, they ought to stand up for the national anthem. my dad served in korea, and why shouldn't they and all that? but if there's no -- if at the end you don't say and now we're going to solve it thusly, frustration grows, it doesn't abate. >> very good summary. thank you very much. that's why we have him from d.c. to join us. [laughter] >> later tonight, we will expose
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president trump and the g.o.p. rolled out their new tax plan this week. they say it will help the middle class. democrats slammed ate as that tax cut -- it at as a tax cut for the rich. is it populist or elitist? we will go through the panel with some of the key elements of this plan. we will have a quick discussion and say populist or elitist? we mean does it help working people or the rich? and by the way this is not a democratic vote. i reserve the right to decide in the end. i would love to have your views. by the way, we have very exciting sound effects for our audience. when something is classified as populist, you will hear the celebratory opening of a can of beer. but when it's elitist, it will be the popping of a champagne cork. let's see if we can make this work. julie, let's start with the doubling of the standard deduction. where would you put that? >> i would say that tends to be more populist because that is something that would be good for
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people who are not itemizing. >> yes. >> although i think there's a danger as i was mentioning to you earlier in the break that if trump isn't careful, he's going to alienate people who are at the upper spectrum of the middle class. >> right, he says he doesn't care about that. we will get to that later. i agree with you. >> he's going to care about that at the time of reelection. >> i agree with you. i will vote for doubling the standard deduction as a populist move. there we are. >> miller lite, i like it. >> that's the idea. there you are. let's go to you next. abolishing the state and local deduction. >> that's part -- well i guess i will call that populist generally, but it is more partisan than anything else because that is going to fall hardest on democrats because the democrats tend to live in states that have the highest taxes in that way. >> yeah. i agree with the populist -- we did that on the show before. we included the state and local
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deduction in that because frankly i think it is 80% of the benefit goes to people who are earning over 100,000. i know people would draw the line at who is rich in different places but again i agree, pop you -- populist, the state and local deduction. they announced the new rates, to end up with 12%, 25%, and 35%. populist or elitist? >> absolutely elitist. when you take a look at what's happened to the distribution of income in this country over the last few decades, it is incredibly how top heavy it is. it is amazing how much the federal government and federal reserve has helped the top 1%, maybe even the top 1/10 of 1%. that casts down on kind of the legitimacy of all that income at the top. it is incredible how top heavy the distribution has become. if anything, we should have higher tax rates. why should someone who is making $430,000 a year, a family making that kind of an income, be in the same tax bracket as somebody making 4 million or 40 million or 400 million dollars a year?
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>> i think -- i agree with you on that. and the thing i couldn't believe when they were trying to present this as a plan that helps working people, not the rich, very much part of the president's message on this, is to increase the rate for the poorest and reduce it for the richest. i don't understand how they got themselves in that position. i don't know if it will survive. i agree. i think this one is elitist. let's hear what that means. very nice. [laughter] >> this one is very close to my heart, i've been going on about this for a long time, the corporate tax reduction from 35% also down to 20% and the lower rate for the repatriation of corporate money overseas. populist or elitist? >> i think it is a tough one to answer actually. 35% is a high corporate tax rate of course their effective tax rate is much lower because of all the loopholes. i can understand bringing down the legal tax rate and closing those loopholes. in that regard i think that's very populist.
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it's also important to repatriate those profits. i don't see why they can't repatriate still with a higher rate than they are talking about, though. >> you are leaning towards populist and i'm going to go all in on populist because i think that this one in tend it is not -- in the end it is not so much about the money, it is about impact on jobs. we really need more well paying jobs. populist for the corporate rate. julie, abolishing the estate tax and amt. >> i think that probably the estate tax needs to be abolished. >> right. >> because i think that will help families aspire to become more wealthy and it definitely is an unjust tax because you're taxing people twice on money they have already earned. i think it should be abolished for that reason. but that's not going to help the middle class in any way, i would
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say. >> i think i agree with the points made, but in an environment where the money is tight, and they are going to be saying we can't afford to do this and that, choosing that as a priority, i mean, i just looked it up. this affects people -- it is over 5 1/2 million; right? i think we're going to go with elitist for this one. and finally, this is -- it is not so much about the rates, but the general drive towards simplification of the system, putting it on a postcard, all of that. >> poor people and working people are more disadvantaged than anyone else by loopholes. i believe it was treasury secretary steven mnuchin sort of let slip either him or gary cohn that said estate tax doesn't matter because rich people don't pay it anyway because they hide their money. it is true. it is true. rich people know how to -- even if it is just $500 to an accountant, but they pay to find ways to pay the least tax possible. the simpler the system, the better it is for working people who pay taxes. >> look at this. we didn't even set all this up.
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we completely agree. that was a very harmonious discussion. populist on simplification. that's not bad. i think we had a result of the 4 of the 6 were populist and 2 elitist. it is not bad but could do better on the populism front. i'm sure we will be hearing more about the tax plan in the weeks and months ahead. coming up, later, we hear a lot about big donors on the right and their shadowy influence on policies. but what about the big donors on the left? the public sector union, bankroll democrats, we expose the corruption. but next our next guest warns that our workplaces may be hidden dictatorships. it's all pop-culture trivia, but it gets pretty intense. -ahh. -the new guy. -whoa, he looks -- -he looks exactly like me. -no. -separated at birth much? we should switch name tags, and no one would know who was who. jamie, you seriously think you look like him?
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>> my next guess what an interesting thing that i read all year. how bosses are literally like dictators. the university michigan professor documented a shocking example of big businesses abusing their workers. amazon and employees through talking to each other at work calling this time. apple searches through the belonging of its employees making them wait in line for up
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to half an hour. just in that time they got from pay. and tyson foods prevents its poultry workers from using the bathroom. some are forced to urinate on themselves while their supervisors mark them. how employers run their lives in my we don't talk about it. elizabeth is joining me now. i thought your article was so provocative and provocative. what should we be doing about the problem of bosses behaving like dictators. >> yes, so one of the things we need to be clear about is that when workers enter an employment contract with their employers, it's not a free market exchange as we ordinarily understand it. they come under the authority of their bosses. so, they are actually subject to a little government and the constitution of that government is a dictatorship. >> steve: so your dick
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unchecked. the relationship between the employee and the boss is a government relationship. you talk about public government and this is private government. >> its private government in the sense that it is kept the workers. bosses say it is not of your business what order i am going to give you this is what you have to obey you want some people may recognize that as conservatives feeling strongly might say you could just leave and get another job. why should we get worried about this? >> one is that most don't have a choice to leave. >> steve: what you mean? >> they would just enter another workplace where the boss gets over them. >> steve: what are the things you propose to do something about this?
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>> i think about three basic ideas. one is to enhance exit options in many states. california is unusual and that they do not have noncompete agreement we went to the pet is. >> a noncompete agreement says that when you sign this contract to sign up that says if you quit you are not allowed to work in the industry for a number of years. you have to leave your talents and skills behind if you find work is intolerable. >> steve: i know the original idea was to protect company secrets from top workers that cry, they didn't want engineers codes. >> steve: why is that? >> california silicone valley is doing just fine without it. >> steve: how many workers are affected by that?
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>> it used to be just a handful of elite workers who are creating intellectual property for the corporation. now, it has expanded. now you have workers just making sandwiches, they find a piece of paper now they can't quit and go work at subway. >> steve: that means they can't negotiate better pay. >> bear traps. or they find it completely different-mac they have to abandon their skills. >> steve: very interesting. we will talk about this with the panel later on. thank you for joining us. coming up, we expose the public union on their
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hineck we hear all the time abot big-money donors the strength of
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politicians in washington. what we hear less about is the swamp on the other side. those who can't pay for democrats and get paid back with tension deals and policy positions favored their members interest at your expense. public sector unions and their democratic lapdogs is two nights swamp watch. the supreme court announced it will hear a case about whether unions which represent government employees like state workers, postal workers and prison officers force workers who are not members to pay monthly dues. the man who filed the petition wants to keep his job without having to pay his union the american federation of state and municipal employees. he says it controls to the budget and pension crisis.
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it's not just illinois, other unions spend millions trying to get their preferred candidate elected across the country from your local school board president. 90% of their donation went to democrats. that spending buys leverage when you're sitting at the negotiating table across from the democrats that you help. one member of california's largest union has this message. >> we help get you into office, and we have a good memory. come november, if you don't pack our programs we will help to get you out of office. >> at least is honest about it. to pay for the pavers that the politicians fill out to unions in exchange for getting elected? taxpayers. almost everything the category of employee expense, wages, pension, paid leave, governments
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spend more than the private sector. about 50% more in total. these are your tax dollars at work to bankrupt detroit in 2013. half of the debt owed to the employee pensions and benefits. sanitation places i work at $231 per compared to nonunion which is $74. and getting half a billion dollars in contracts from washington state government benefits from $750,000 in campaign contributions from the same unions. in california, the epicenter of corrupt public center that's in bankruptcy. in may, the governor signed a package contract that raises and bonuses to 126,000 people.
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he was returning a favor. his union gave $3 million to the reelection campaign. that is the quid pro quo or, bribery. by the way, teachers unions are one of jerry brown's biggest backers. if the disastrous consequence for schools and what we wil retn to a future swamp watch. the only way jerry brown can afford to pay it off is by recent taxes. public-sector unions are always ready with helping hand. a few years ago governor brown supported california proposition 32a $6 million here by hiking taxes. that's our money thought the union. we better make sure jerry gets it. they spent $40 million campaigning for tax increases, taxes that would fund their own pay attention. the rotten circus is corrupt. it's not just about financial payoffs.
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democrat lead to policy past two. look at california's overcrowded prisons. 1975 they imprisoned 65 people for every 100,000. by 2007, the incarceration rate moved to 472 per 100,000. hundred% increase. in 2011 the supreme court ordered the states to cut the prison population 30,000 inmates. what caused this crisis? these people. the california correctional peace officers association. in the 80s and 90s this union might state to construct 22 new prisons, increased by four times the number of guards who make on average $100,000 each. in 1990, the prison officers union cut a $1.5 million check to the democratic gubernatorial
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candidate. four years later when he was getting ready to run for reelection to return the favor with stunning 34% pay hike. heading $2 billion to the state budget. like clockwork, just eight weeks after that offer the union helped him with another million dollars toward his reelection campaign. they also spent 100 grand to promote the precise initiative which landed nonviolent offenders in jail. they followed that with a million dollars to defeat a proposition that would amend the law that triggers a life sentence. in 20 years the golden state is now spending $11 billion here in the correctional system. more than it spends in universities. when jerry brown ran for governor governor in 2010 the person gave them $2 million and
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he gave them three races in the last six years. no no wonder they were so proud about this when. >> we want big this year. played a good role in electing the governor. of the 107 candidates endorsed by ccp oh a, 104 were victorious. ccp oh a best mac isn't that lovely make everybody so happy and grateful. when the court set up the judges not only have a chance to prevent unions forcing members think they disagree with, they have an opportunity to drain the swamp. and that's the democratic parties dependence. coming up, the panel has been listening.
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bareback panel. pr back panel. in the public sector there something different, what you make of all of that? >> court case can address this issue. what labor unions have done in the united states they have become increasingly dependent on union workers. we are now at a place where we are 7% of the private sector is unionized. if the court strikes down the ability of governments to garnish wages in order to government unions, what does that mean unions will have to go back to focus on the private sector. there is no regulation i can think of that would deal with the things that talking about.
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what address it as strong trade units in the private sector. >> steve: what is the connection between unionization and the private sector on this problem we talk about on the show which is wage stagnation that has been going on? >> there's a clear connection between the decline of unions whether in the public or private sector and a decline of wages and working conditions. that's a really serious problem. you can talk about various abuses, but they also played positive and making sure that workers sections against bosses who might want to commandeer their labor their own campaign and present their houses into other stuff which has happened.
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one is a subject close to your heart, the private sector and public sector unionization, you come out? >> private sector unionization is too weak. that needs to be strengthened especially if we need better bargaining power. the public sector unions you put a lot on their doorstep and it's unfair. look at the union pension funds they'll get the kind of support that the hedge funds a big banks got one. >> they would not be going insolvent. a lot of horses are going to the drug. not just the public sector workers. you don't want public-sector workers to be getting paid for walmart wages. take a look at my district. the teachers union have been fighting for schoolchildren. if the teachers union will come
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back to it at another show. i think the teachers union and the things that you're describing is really wrecking the quality of the education. i think it is interesting the kind of populist movement as of a hate of the agenda. maybe more open to unions than one might think. >> definitely in the private sector that would be true. i think there is a concern sector unions abusing, especially when it comes to being involved in political campaigns. there is a problem with that. even with private sector unions the government is a big and involved in so many things that the union needs to be involved in politics in that way, maybe that is the real problem and not the unions themselves.
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>> steve: i agree with that. thank you for joining us. we have time for one more discussion coming up next. that is the election in germany last shows that europe is not immune to the populace revolution. we will discuss this up him him
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back in 2015 marco middle east. how did that work out in last week's election? party had the worst result since 1949. we have time for a reaction. i thought the interesting factor was open borders and immigration. >> i think what she is going to find is as a result of her having done that the country is going to be much more difficult
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for him to unite around anything. there such wide divergences and opinions at this point that i do not see her as being able to move forward her agenda she would like to do. a lot on the left will say that it's terrible that they rise to the far right, they would contest that label, but there's lessons to the left,. >> you talk about porters and immigration you're talking about why, what is the impetus for these migration flows? quite often you'll find failed states. south of the border, sometimes south of the border they have not encouraged enough democracy south of the border. in the middle east a lot of the migration come and we will work.
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this is the result of a decade or more for regime change. we have to stop knocking out secular details. >> don't stay too long. a year ago she would've told her she could get out this result showed been happy. things were looking bad. she made up by the skin of her teeth. for terms is a lot. when you stay too long you run out of friends and build up enemies. you have to know when it's time to leave. >> steve: i think that's right. this not many politicians manage to keep going. that's all we have time for tonight. we appreciate you joining us. thank you to all of you at home for joining us this week. next week will be taking a look at the artificial intelligent revolution, are robots going to take all of our jobs? join us next sunday r r r r r r.
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how about that. r r r r r r. that's it for us. have a good night. >> president trump going on a twitter clinic slamming critics and appears to undercut his own secretary state on north korea. i'm rick leventhal and you're watching the "fox report". president trump firing off nearly two dozen tweets this weekend. many of them were directed at the mayor of san juan who said the administration was killing the people of puerto rico with inefficiency the president vigorously defending his hurricane relief efforts there and moments ago we took the time to acknowledge a storm victims in puerto rico as well as on the us mainland. he presented the hurricane -- >> we have it under the people of flo


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